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Upgrade: Teves to Akebono (99 WJ)

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#1 · (Edited)
Brake Upgrade: Teves to Akebono (99 WJ)

After years of dealing with the warped rotors, it was time for the upgrade. The stealership told me the teves were the better calipers, and I didn't need an upgrade. This is an example of why I will never trust the "experts" at the stealership. The pads I had didn't perform adequately either, I needed something that would stop the 35's better. Because I was upgrading the fronts, I replaced the rear pads and rotors as well. The rear pads were only 1/2 worn, but I wanted the higher friction pads.

Here is what I started with, front teves calipers, worn rotors, and worn pads. The front pads were on the Jeep when I bought it (3 years ago) and still had 1/3 of the pad left. They were way too hard with little stopping power. Here is what I was looking at with the tires off. Notice on the Teves Caliper, it has a spring on the front.
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To remove the caliper, you will need an 7mm allen wrench. After that, you need to remove the caliper bracket, two 18mm bolts. When using a socket, you have to move the ABS wire off of its retainer prong and out of the way. Also make sure the front of the rotor is turned slightly inward towards the Jeep so that you can reach the upper bolt easier (the knuckle can get in the way).
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All four rotors (I replaced all brakes front and rear) needed persuasion to come off. Here is the persuader:
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You NEED Akebono caliper brackets for this upgrade, look at the difference. The Akebono caliper bracket is fully enclosed, much more rigid.
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You can clearly see the difference in the caliper castings, the Akebono has ridges on the top of the casting. This will make the caliper itself more rigid, and provides larger cooling surface. The Akebono is on the ground, the Teves is in my hand..notice its smooth top.
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Notice the writing on the back of the Akebono caliper:
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Side comparison of the calipers:
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The new calipers came with 5 small clips. I was confused at first, and really couldn't find anything online about how they went on. After simply looking at them and the caliper bracket though, they were self explanatory. Four of them slide on where the pads ride, and the fifth was just a pad life indicator that clipped onto the brake pad.
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I have seen some people spread anti squeak all over the back of their pads, but I have always thought this was unnecessary. I just apply it to the pistons and the inside lip of the caliper where the pads rest. Then you don't see it all over the pad when you are done. My brother works for an automotive shop, and has countless stories of people who apply this to the pad surface!!!! Do not do that.
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I used Hawks LTS pads as I LOVE Hawks, they have always performed extremely well on my Camaro. The LTS pad with Y Compound is the pad with the highest coefficient of friction that Hawk produces for the WJ, so I went with it to stop the 35's.
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This was the first time I had replaced calipers on an ABS vehicle. The bleeding process was very similar to any other, but you don't pump up the pedal. You have someone apply pressure to the brake pedal, then loosen the bleed valve, the brake pedal will go to the floor. You then tighten the bleed valve, they release the brake pedal and let don't touch anything for a few seconds. Then the pedal man should apply pressure to the pedal again while you open the bleeder valve. Then close the valve again before telling the pedal man (or woman, my wife is a great help with this) to let off of the brake pedal. So instead of pumping like on the non abs setups, you don't pump as this can introduce air into the ABS system. This isn't an in depth description, make sure you read the directions. They should be included with your calipers.

I went with a flat surface rotor as drilled slotted seem to reduce pad life on my Camaro. And with occasion, I may heat these rotors up fairly warm when towing and coming down the canyon. I don't want to have a rotor fail on me and break.

The rotors are the Premium rotors offered by Napa. I also bought the Calipers there b/c it came with the bracket included.

Total Cost of new brakes

Rotors (F&R) $212 at Napa
Front Calipers (Akebono Upgrade) $145 at Napa
Brake Pads (Hawks LTS Pads F&R) $160 from Summit Racing
1 Can Brake Fluid - $3 at Autozone
1 Can Brake Parts Cleaner - $3 at Autozone

TOTAL = $523

The braking is now amazing. It stops much faster. I don't think I could have activated the ABS on dry pavement before, but it stops very quickly now. It is much safer and more comfortable. No more warped rotors...
 
#29 ·
I'm not quite sure I follow your sentence.
It sounds like you had clips on your stock pads, but a new set of pads you have doesn't have the clip..?

If my interpretation is correct, you will be fine.
Some aftermarket pads do not come with wear indicators. Some pads come with built in wear indicators. Others have clip on things that can be used with the aftermarket pads.

So....you don't need wear indicators. Just keep your eye on the brakes. Without wear indicators, there will be no squeal when the pads are near the end of their life. If you don't look at the pad depth, you may end up eating into your rotors with the pads if they wear past the braking surface and into the pad lining. I like to change my rotors when I change my brakes anyways, so I personally don't care about wear indicators anymore. I keep my eyes on my pads to and usually know when new ones will be needed.
 
#32 ·
I've got around 12,000 miles on upgraded brakes, no warping yet. thanks everyone on this site for all the info and support.:D
No Problem.

Great write-up, thanks! In your parts list, you indicated you replaced four rotors but only upgraded the front calipers from Teves to Akebono? Is it not necessary to upgrade the rear calipers to Akebono also?
The rears are Teves through 2004, there wasn't a reason (or even option that I know of) to upgrade them. The rear calipers are working well though, with no warpage problems.
 
#34 ·
Pads shouldn't effect pedal travel.

Does it feel spongy like there is still air in the system, even after bleeding?
 
#35 ·
Did you replace the MC or a mechanic? Either way, it probably needs to be blead on a scanner to clear the ABS motor, if it hasn't been yet.
 
#36 ·
thanks i only jumped on this thread because i did the same exact thing with same componets. I agre that tit needs to bled better either with scanner or just plain better. Thanks for the opinions. I t does lock up and really well at that.
 
#37 ·
I did the swap over this long labor day weekend along with new rotors. Picked up the Akebono Calipers w/bracket from Rockauto as well as some ceramic pads. FYI, the bleed screws that came on the "new" AKE calipers from RA DIDN'T have holes in them! I had to reuse the old bleeder screws from my teves calipers. Make sure you check these before you toss the old stuff in the trash. I discovered this as I tried to bleed the system and no fluid came out. I removed the bleeder screw and noted there were no holes drilled in them...

As for the swap, The worst part was getting the Teves caliper bracket off. After much struggling, I used a torch to heat the bolt and a big f'in hammer along with a 18mm box wrench and I finally got them loose. WHAT A RELIEF! I thought I was going to have to saw them off after I chewed them up a bit with a socket. DO NOT USE A SOCKET on the 18mm TEVES CALIPER BRACKET BOLTS! ...get an open ended wrench. Sorry for the caps. After bleeding the brakes, I have much better pedal feel. The stopping power feels about the same. I've got a rear caliper to replace along with both rear rotors so that's the plan for next weekend. Thanks again for the write-up!
 
#38 ·
No problem. It is amazing how hard it is to get parts off near the brakes. I guess all of that heating/cooling/heating/cooling really makes things bond.
 
#39 ·
Thanks

Thanks so much for this write-up. I bought all new rotors and pads, and was planning on buying the calipers this weekend, but with your pictures I realized my 02 already had AKE on the front already, even tho it is a Jan. manufacture date (I think I read May was Manufacturer cutover). Previous owner must have done the upgrade already! YAY! ;)

I'm going with EBC 3GD slotted/dimpled front rotors with EBC Yellow Stuff pads. The Yellow pads are a substantial braking upgrade over OEM Replacement pads, ceramic included. The advantage of the Yellow pads are they don't require a warm up period before they perform. These pads are shown to provide up to 10+ additional feet stopping distance on same hardware on Truck/SUV applications.:eek:

I'm also going with EBC USR slotted rear rotors, and EBC Green Stuff 6000 pads. These pads will provide a moderate upgrade over OEM Replacement pads.

I know that everyone has their hypothesis on using dimpled/slotted rotors, and I agree that for most applications it is not needed. I am VERY hard on my brakes on all my vehicles. It is worth the extra money for me to get the additional cooling that aftermarket sport upgrades provide. The additional degassing is also a plus. I like that EBC uses dimpled instead of drilled, which the latter is shown to promote cracking of the rotor. I was surprised to find the AKE calipers, as my rotors are fairly warped ATM, which just shows how hard I am on my brakes.

I'll come back and give an update after I have all the hardware installed and I put a few miles on them.
 
#40 ·
Good stuff. Make sure to properly bed in the brake pads for better performance.
 
#41 ·
Nice write-up IrockZ I don't think my rotors have ever been changed the Jeep just hit 6500 miles so I am sure its more then due for some replacements. From what I gather from your write up it's worth spending a bit more money up front. For a much better performance with the brakes and rotors. This is going on my list of too-dos. Thanks!
 
#42 ·
No problem.
 
#43 ·
IROC, I know everybody has already thanked you for this awesome write-up, but this is REALLY gonna help me with my customers. You have no idea how many times someone has come in for brakes for an 02, and I have to send them back home to see what calipers they have. Now I can tell them that they can go with either one, as long as they get both calipers and pads to match. Thanks so much...
 
#47 ·
I am glad everyone is experiencing the good results that I did.



In addition to the pads and calipers, they will also need the new caliper brackets. The Akebono calipers require a bracket that straddles both sides of the rotor, not just the inboard side. Those brackets actually come with some caliper kits though, that is how mine came.
 
#44 ·
Got tired of the warped rotors so today I decided to dive in and do this swap. Got loaded calipers with pads and Wagner rotors for a total of $216.42. Did it all myself. Granted working at a shop I get a discount at the parts warehouse we order from so it would have been twice that cost to an off the street buyer. Very excited to drive home and see how much nicer these things are.
 
#48 · (Edited)
Thank you for the write up

I wanted to drop a line and let you know how much I appreciate a well done write up, especially the pictures. Your pics answered almost all of my questions along the way, the only one it didn't is where exactly on the pad the squeal indicator went... I said the hell with it and left it off.

Much better stopping. It took me about 2 hours start to finish including bs'ing with the neighbor, wrangling kids and waiting on wifey to come to the garage to bleed the brakes. Our old rotors were trash and I had put this off long enough (I first found the write up right after having replaced a set of warped rotors).
 
#49 ·
Glad it worked out for you. I'll have to remember to snap some pics next time I install the pad life indicators on some pads.
 
#52 ·
My guess is that you have them installed in the wrong spot, or in the wrong orientation. I would try swapping them around in locations, or flipping them 180. Do you have any pics showing the issue?