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: Any reason for an asymmetry in height?


Long Arm Silver
05-31-2002, 06:17 PM
While doing Mike's measurements, I discovered that my WJ is higher on the left side, than the right.

This is the second time this has happened, as before when I had 6" springs + spacer in the front. I noticed an asymmetry up to an inch, and thought that maybe the springs had been cut differently.

But now I again have an asymmetry, with the same result. The left (driver's) side is higher than the right. It just seems too much of a coincidence.

What would your vote be as to why this would occur? I'm going to ask Dan about it next week, but what do you guys think? Is there a weight asymmetry between left and right? Probably not to that extent, as I don't notice that much of a change when I sit my > 200 lbs body in the driver's seat.

My left front side is too high, and the spring appears to bow more than the other side. What do we do? Cut that spring a little? It is too high for my liking, and definitely overkill for 33's so we do have some height to work with.

Chris_L
06-01-2002, 12:07 AM
I would make sure your on complete level ground when measuring for height. Also I would not cut the springs, will change the spring rate. Maybe a dumb question, but are all the spring isolators in?

mmyers
06-01-2002, 12:43 AM
When I installed my 8" coils, The pass side was fine, but the driver side bowed into the swaybar link bad. I rotated the driver side 180*, and it is fine. There is a slight imbalance, but not real noticable, because the end of the winding is not seated in the pocket as it should be.

If you have a bowing problem, and are off a little, try that.

Also, the ZJ left and right side coils are indexed the same, and will not seat symetrically.

I don't know about the WJ's.

M.

KevinsOffroad.com
06-01-2002, 10:07 AM
I would make sure your on complete level ground when measuring for height. Also I would not cut the springs, will change the spring rate. Maybe a dumb question, but are all the spring isolators in?

Well, in theory I guess the spring rate shifts slightly higher when you cut a little off...but I certainly wouldn't let that stop you. We're talking an lb/in or two difference...surely no more the the manufacturing tolerances of the steel forming process. IMHO, it's a non-issue.

If that will level you out, go for it. It's cheap, easy, and quick.

Henley: Also, first disco your sway bars before you measure. Park on flat concrete and jump up and down on each corner three times before you measure. If the sway bar/links/posts are off even 1/8" on one side, it creates a variance of 1/4" difference between sides. You can use washers between the sway bar and the link on the side that's a little short and get it to level out nicely. Try this first!

Woola's Jeep always sat low in the right side. After disassembling the rear suspension and checking static spring height, we found that the rear sway bar links were welded to the d44 axle at different heights. After some washers, the links were perfectly level, and thus the rear end was level. It doesn't take much to throw it off, particularly with soft springs!

Hope that helps.

Skippy
06-01-2002, 11:01 AM
I had the exact same thing when I put on my TF BB. The driver side was higher then the passenger side. I still havent figured out why that is. You would think with just a BB puck the heights would stay the same as stock. I hope somone can come up with a good explanation.

Steve

ZJMike
06-01-2002, 12:58 PM
I read that (at least in the ZJ) the drivetrain is responsible for this. Something so do with torque and making the rear passenger side sag.

SoCalZJPunk
06-01-2002, 01:18 PM
I had the exact same thing when I put on my TF BB. The driver side was higher then the passenger side. I still havent figured out why that is. You would think with just a BB puck the heights would stay the same as stock. I hope somone can come up with a good explanation.

Steve

Is it possible that the slight difference was there but it just became more noticeable when the BB was added?
I'm thinking this may just be a common problem.
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ZJMike
06-01-2002, 02:02 PM
Yeah, the BB makes it much more noticable. At stock height, mine looked fairly even, but the BB added enough height to make it noticable. Now that I have new springs, I'm even once again :D

Skippy
06-01-2002, 07:43 PM
I never noticed the height difference before I put the BB on. But between the BB and the new shocks it could have made it more obvious.

Long Arm Silver
06-02-2002, 07:53 AM
Thanks for the suggestions. We had already tried turning the springs around because of the bowing, but I admit that I hadn't done any measurements prior to that. I could try that again, but somehow I don't expect it to come up with an inch in height difference. By the way, I measured inside my garage, which is flat. I would try Kevin's suggestions if I could....

I tried to do it this weekend, but my floor jack only goes up to 25", and my frame rails are already well over 20" above the ground. Even when using the wood blocks I could find, I could not get the height I needed to turn the springs around. We borrowed a neighbour's ramp, but it didn't go high enough. So without trespassing and using someone's loading dock, I'm going to have to go back to BVOR and ask them to do it.

JohnBoulderCO
06-04-2002, 09:05 AM
I was about .5"-.75" higher on the left side of the Jeep. OME makes the driver side springs taller. Since their steering is on the right, down under, who is to say which side the springs go on.

When I put the BB on top of the springs, the difference got worse. So I popped out the springs and measured. There seems to be about .25"-.5" difference in height between the driver side and pass side of the springs.

I put the taller front spring on the driver side and the taller rear spring on the passenger side. Now the Jeep sits level. I could have cut a little on the tall springs but, this seemed to work just fine.

Might want to swap springs around and see if that helps.

ZJMike
06-04-2002, 10:40 AM
I'm telling you guys, it has to do with the drivetrain. It is more noticable in Jeeps with more miles / older springs. I'm gonna look for where I read that the drivetrain is responsible for the passenger-side sag (especially in back).

tranceZJ
06-04-2002, 12:31 PM
I'm telling you guys, it has to do with the drivetrain. It is more noticable in Jeeps with more miles / older springs. I'm gonna look for where I read that the drivetrain is responsible for the passenger-side sag (especially in back).

This is because when you gas it, it saggs to that side every time. As far as cutting the spring, I wouldn't do that. I had 1.5"s difference in mine, and it was because of over compression. With you long arm setup it would be very easy to extend the spring all the way and then suddenly compress it WAY to far. With the Excessive droop on the other side, it will slightly push your tire further. If I were you, I would pull the springs out of the front and stand them next to each other. I did this with my rears to determine for certain if the springs were the issue. If one spring is shorter than the other I would suggest replacing them and rethinking your bump stops. I've rambled enough now. Sorry.

Jereme Daniels

Long Arm Silver
06-04-2002, 12:37 PM
Well, I am going to have to fix it myself, I have run out of time and am moving to Dallas, starting tomorrow. So no more BVOR for me. I'll pop the springs out, make sure they are the same length, then play with turning them etc till the height is proper.

Creech
06-04-2002, 12:42 PM
I was looking at mine in the shop last night and it sits lower on the driver's side than on the passengers. My buddy's '00 Wrangler does too.